French EDF hijacks British flag and uses Ecotricity’s idea for Green Britain Day

It’s one thing for a French energy company to hijack the Union Jack for greenwash purposes but to take the ad campaign (or something very much like it) of a genuine green electricity company, Ecotricity, has really inflamed green minded consumers.

EDF’s sponsored Green Britain Day is taking place on Friday, July 10th and has been positioned as “a community aimed at harnessing the power of collective action”. Seems they have created another community aimed at harnessing the power of collective action – true greens are organisisng a boycott and calling it the EDF ‘Greenwash Britain Day’ and are urging politicians, musicians, sportsmen and the public not to be taken in and to ‘unplug EDF’.

Those in the green space have already started a campaign against EDF (Electricite de France), check out GREEN BRITAIN DAY group on Facebook, and are urging people to complain to the ASA about EDF’s claims.

When I saw the posters, a green Union Jack, I was a bit shocked. The original green Union Jack ad was created by Robin Smith of Host Universal (a specialist ethical agency) for Dale Vince’s Ecotricity back in 2007 and is well known in green circles, though obvious not by creatives at EDF’s agency. Had Ecotricity given it to EDF or had EDF just nicked it? Seems the latter, though they’ll blame the agency I am sure. If so I’d ask for the fee back and maybe EDF would be ethical enough to pay it to Smith instead.

Of course it’s not the first time EDF have recycled someone else’s idea. Their TV ad made from recycled ads was actually a copy of St Luke’s Ecover ad, which was ironically created by Smith’s wife Kiki Kendrick. Wow, that’s a double hit. So watch out everyone who has ever done any award winning eco-ethical ads, EDF may well be eyeing it up for the next campaign. Think I’ll copyright my environmental Asthma glue poster as fast as I can.

The Green Britain Day involves many partners including the Eden Project and the legendary musician Paul Weller, who will be playing a gig there. In principle the idea is great, engaging people to make a difference, no one can argue with that. It’s the corporation’s motives behind it and it’s marketing that is causing concern.

EDF claim to be the first sustainability partner of the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games. Vincent de Rivaz, Chief Executive of EDF, said:?“Climate change is one of the biggest challenges facing us. As an energy company, EDF Energy has a responsibility to be at the heart of the solution to climate change….” Nice speech.

EDF Energy also claim to be the largest producer of low-carbon electricity in the UK. Well of course they are because they are 85% Nuclear energy, hence their claims that by 2020 they plan to be totally carbon neutral (nuclear is carbon neutral). Nuclear has certainly split the green lobby, some back it others reject it. However, as it’s carbon neutral it’s been a gift for greenwash.

EDF states the obvious, “Climate change is one of the biggest challenges facing us and EDF Energy believes that we can only tackle the issues we face by ensuring that all of us act together now.” True but in the world of eco-ethical marketing do they you define acting together as taking other people’s ideas?

EDF’s marketing to the British public is designed to make them think they are a company that has real green values, this has annoyed the green community.
To support their sponsorship of the 1012 Olympic Games and Green Britain Day EDF have even set up a .org website (makes it look more caring) and are using the term ‘Team Great Britain’ – err, but EDF are French? Is this some kind of invasion? They even have added ‘the big idea’ to the URL, who ever said the French can be arrogant?

To put you in the picture, there are only really three genuine green energy companies in the UK, Good Energy, Ecotricity and GreenEnergy UK (who have the greenest tariff of all of them). The next best is Scottish & Southern who operate a lot of hydro electric power stations. So if you want to be even slightly green there’s your choice. After that the rest are large corporations with one mission, make profit. And let us not forget British Gas, who despite making many green claims conveniently forgets that gas is as unsustainable as you can get.

All the big energy companies are required by the government to supply a degree of green source energy and it is this small percentage that they are using to spin to try and make themselves look green. One energy company I have spoken with (one of the big boys) admitted to me that they found it really hard to sell a green tariff as consumers don’t trust them and if they had the choice they’d drop it. Big surprise.

Now I’m all for embracing big corporates into changing the world, after all McDonalds, Starbucks and a few are making a significant difference, especially in the are of Fairtrade and ethically sourced coffee. Even Wal-Mart have turned over a new leaf. As for oil companies and energy companies… well they have a long way to go to convince the green minded consumer they have changed their ways.

The big issue comes down to the triple bottom line – people, planet, profit. If Profit is at the heart of your ethos, and it is for energy companies, people and planet will always take a second place.

The new guide for green marketers, Ethical Marketing & the New Consumer is published at the end of July by Wiley’s (pre orderable on Amazon) and I’d recommend that EDF and many others read it. It’ll enlighten them as to why they are wasting their money on their current greenwash campaigns and how they could become more ethical and actually spend their money more wisely.

In the short term I’d advise them to consult the people they appropriate ideas off as they run one of the UK’s specialist ethical agencies (Host), as hiring an ethical specialists (instead of big agencies) would start to make people believe they are genuine.

 

  • CHRIS ARNOLD

    I welcome your thoughts on this and those of EDF.

  • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=106171060780&ref=ts R Smith

    i wonder how many conventional creative directors are working at 1:55 in the am. It’s tough stuff honoring an ethical commitment but well worth it if you can hack it … that is until giants like EDF come along and rip-off your work. Maybe, just maybe, they think it doesn’t matter – all’s fair in love and politics – but it does. the resources we have to work with are tight and producing excellence is tough. When we created the Green Union Jack, we created an icon for Green Britain, real Green Britain, not for the fossil burning, nuclear building, gas guzzling kind. I’ve struggled with this issue for a couple of weeks. Since i saw a ‘green’ schools campaign start firing alerts, i followed the trail and found EDF’s radioactive fingerprints all over it, then i found their trademark applications, then their flag and dresses and vans. the commercial is just the cherry on the cake of an explosively damaging piece of work. We need a clean debate, we need to know our options as we deal with the massive issue of climate change. It is not okay to start screwing with the clearly defined boundaries between green and nuclear. To greenwash the british public is to play with our lives. The conventional mercenary rules do not apply to the serious issues of the day. We pray EDF backs off and finds another way to dig the Browns (Gordon and Andrew, head of media EDF) out of the family hole they are in. Meanwhile we fight for innovation, creativity, bravery, the good guys and the future of the planet. See the visuals http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=106171060780&ref=ts

  • Sarah James

    Join the night owls. This doesn’t surprise me. My flat mate worked at Euro’s on EDF and I heard some shocking things about their attitude. Big energy companies are only interested in profit, not people or the planet. They don’t care and don’t even see what they are doing is wrong. They see lies as the acceptable face of marketing. I think the ad industry needs to come out in support of Ecotricity and condem EDF. As Bush said after 9-11, you are either with us or against us. This is a dark day for the ad business. If EDF gets away with this we shall all be seen as cheats and dishonest and it will open the doors to greater greenwash. Maybe we should redefine EDF as Evil Dishonest & Fibbers?

  • Darian Watts

    Saw this. Woke up feeling blue. Saw red. Hate companies that greenwash,
    Chris hope you have put EDF in your new book. Readers need to know they are as bad as Shell. I think Ecotricity should sue EDF for every Franc they can get.(I know they use Euros but Francs sound more motivating.)
    Love your blogs. What happened to the one about Nestle?

  • Rob Groves

    A sad trend that all the big boys seem to be cashing in on the Eco ticket. So easy to make these ethical claims but quite another thing to conduct your business in the true spirit of environmental protection and sustainability. Things must, and will, change. But probably too late.

    Keep up the good work Robin, one of the good guys!

  • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=106171060780&ref=ts R Smith

    Letters have gone out and legal conversations are being had, but green britain is about people and opinions, if we don’t express our opinions we can’t expect governments and profit-driven businesses to do it for us. So this is a grass roots, creatively driven reaction. Anyone proud of developing effective change strategies and powerful creative should speak up on this. or it’s one way to greenwash. No good for any of us. It’s the Green Union Jack we want to protect to keep clear definition in the climate change debate – global warming may make nuclear necessary but it doesn’t make it acceptable. It’s governments and ignorant business that got us to this place and we just can’t trust them to get us out of it. We need massive investment in renewable and that means selling it, not hyping it up and providing brown and nuclear cos it’s more profitable.

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    If Grilla were EDF here’s what I’d do:
    1.Fire my agency and Marketing Director as all they do is bring me stuff taken from other, more ethical, more talented, and frankly, sexier guys and girls.
    2. Stop insulting the British public with all this talk of being green and being British.
    3. Issue a grovelling apology to Ecotricity for ‘appropriating’ their Green Jack and Green Britain positioning because they are its rightful owners – they are British and build and supply nothing but renewable energy, and wouldn’t touch nuclear with a barge pole.

  • Steve Keyworth

    Appalling behaviour from EDF. Even if you put aside for a moment their unconvicing message that nuclear-equals-green, lifting another company’s campaign wholesale is just lazy, ignorant and dishonest. They call themselves green but they’re confusing recycling with nicking stuff.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=106171060780&ref=ts kiki kendrick

    To half-inch one idea may be regarded as misfortune; to do it twice looks as though they lack the wit to create their own [with apologies to Oscar Wilde].

  • Jen Dean

    I believe that the people who can truly make a difference will be fantastic problem solvers – to completely change people’s behavior we need to have some hugely innovative ideas. Stealing someone else’s idea is not innovative, just plain cheating. This just shows that EDF are not willing to help solve the problem, instead they are happy to put in a minimum effort to appear to be doing good. EDF are simply delaying any progress made in promoting true ecological energy by being dishonest.

  • dylan kendle

    what’s the more infuriating the wholesale ripping off of an idea – or the wholesale ripping off of a nation. wonder if the production was carbon neutral?

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    A ‘brief’ correction, C:
    RE the EDF/Ecover French nickers incident; Ecover was a client at Chiat Day London, not St Lukes.

  • http://community.brandrepublic.com/blogs/arnold_on_ethical_marketing/default.aspx Chris Arnold

    Thanks Grilla for that correction. Of course St Lukes was the renaming of Chiat day after the MBO. Surprised EDF haven’t commented yet.

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    Yes, the Ecotricity Green Union Jack is indeed well known in green circles, Chris – But green circle’s are a foreign country to our EDFpals. One, let’s be frank, they’d never get into because the radioactive material alarm would go off as they tried to sneak through the security gate at the airport!!

  • Darian Watts

    I bet telephone calls are going between agency and marketing department. Pas the buck time.
    Remember that Tango commercial where the guy walks out of the office and ends up on the white cliffs of Dover saying come on your French I’m waiting. We’re waiting EDF.

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    Don’t mention it Chris – easy mistake to make. [Easy as thinking you're green when you're nuclear, or British when you're French...almost.]

  • TIN TIN

    EDF presents Dale Vince and the crew at Ecotricity with a choice, either stand up and fight for all that is good and green and decent (and gain a breathtakingly large amount of publicity) or repaint the vans, recycle the brochures and take down every one of the green jacks they have produced over the last 2 years….

  • Lucy Hill

    I completely agree with what Chris is saying, it is wrong to steal other peoples design and even worse using that design to lie to the public. Someone needs to wake up at EDF because a. there not english and how dare they use the green Union Jack b. Reading the copyright laws would be the next best move for EDF, they could end up in some serious trouble and c. lying to the public isn’t going to help there company!!!!!

  • Catherine Drew

    I really hope that EDF get the public humiliation they deserve over their dishonest behaviour.
    It is sad that EDF has such a lack of moral values.

  • Libby Cuthbert

    I just saw the EDF ad on TV again, with talk of Britain, green values and joining teams. It’s sickening that most people watching it have no idea of the deception working here. To add insult to injury this shameless stunt is being promoted using a clever campaign devised for a genuine organization. Please tell me these big cats can’t get away with this?

  • http://www.metcalfelancaster.com rachel Lancaster

    GGrrrrrr! These people drive me insane! How dare they present themselves as green when all they are is greedy.
    I really hope that their theft of the Green Union Jack is exposed to the general public who deserve to know the truth about this unscrupulous bunch.

  • http://www.metcalfelancaster.com rachel Lancaster

    GGrrrrrr! These people drive me insane! How dare they present themselves as green when all they are is greedy.
    I really hope that their theft of the Green Union Jack is exposed to the general public who deserve to know the truth about this unscrupulous bunch.

  • CHRIS ARNOLD

    This piece has obviously stimulated a lot of comment. A small fact from the book. In American one piece of research showed that ads that tried to tell a green story were less believed than ordinary ads. Why? Because people thought that any big company talking green was greenwash, whereas true greens don’t shout about it, show lots of wind farms and make wild claims about sustainability.

  • CHRIS ARNOLD

    I’ve just returned from a green diner which I was chairing. Several people were from green energy related businesses (all from green businesses). Not a lot of good words for the big energy companies. And even less for the government and their badly informed muddled thinking on green issues. We have to face a depressing fact. Big business influences government thinking. Real people, genuine green businesses get no say and even though know more aren’t being listened to. Many policies are badly put together and worse, we seem to live in an age where politics is not about beliefs and values but about either how much they spend because spend = doing a good job, “we’ve invested even more in..”. What statistic they can turn up based on some irrelevant measure. Or whet PR spin they can get. Real values, reals measures are of no interest. Saving the planet or giving people a fair deal is off the agenda. The triple bottom line is people, planet, profit. The new one is policies, popularity and PR spin.

  • Mark King

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, it seems – and with the dubious ‘distinction’ of a rather nasty anti-French note thrown in the article too.

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    Mark, bonjour. Grilla has no issue with the French as a nation. He’s as fond of frogs legs and snails as the next Grilla. The issue here is that a huge 85% French government owned nuclear energy company has plundered a small British renewable energy company of its distinctive Green Jack and its Green Britain positioning. Even if they hadn’t swiped it, a French nuclear energy company and Green Britain Day: Team Green Britain a good fit does not make!!

  • Rob Sellers

    Regardless of who came up with a green union flag etc. before, there are elements of this campaign that are just cringeworthy. EDF have failed on so many counts, and fallen into so many of the usual pitfallls of Green Washing. The lack of clairty, authenticity and transparity is amazing. Also the crowbarring of the Olympics sponsorship into the campaign lets both EDF and 2012 down.
    However, they also get some things right. There is an incentive strucure, they try to humanise green activity and the use of communities is sometimes right. Also, you cannot criticise them for trying to create positive behaviour. Yes, they are not a holistically green company, but the economy will not change overnight, and we need existing large companies to feel that they can be rewarded for more environmentally responsible behaviour by consumer support. Being a marketer, a green supporter and an economist… you need to realise without Profit, there will be no support for the other 2 ‘Ps’.

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    The Big Question is did Chris Arnold eat all of his greens last night?

  • Kevin Gordon

    Sir Dale Vince is already a consultant to the Government, so I’m sure they are aware of it. The fact of the matter is even if the UK went totally green, we’d still need more power to sustain our current consumption.

    The reason UK gov. use EDF is because it’s an easy way of satisfying onshore carbon footprint figures in short term whilst reorganising long term.

    The fact that these Nuclear stations are on French soil is an added bonus, as in the years to come the UK can simply cut the power supply, and up anchor, without having to pick up the tab for decommissioning a delapidated nuclear power station in France in the process. The French don’t care. They will use it for threir own people.

    The British government has even looked at sourcing nuclear power from Africa and transporting the the electricity back to the UK, however, in the dangerous world we live in where one country can just turn off the tap of power supply at the drop of a hat, I understand this idea has beeen abandoned.

    Nuclear will have to be included somewhere along the line. This is a fact.
    Since Chernobyl, newer reactors have been designed that use coals rather than rods. These reactor coals cannot overheat, and so it makes Nuclear a viable proposition. You dont have to take my word for it, visit:
    http://www.touch Briefings Oil & Gas for further details on the subject.

    Industry is now picking up the mantle. Some are greener than others, however, in EDF’s case, it’s more about the blatant theft of a competitor’s work. It will only go against them. I left them years ago after I noticed they had saved up almost £1,500 of my hard earned money in their direct debit electricity and gas bills having worked overseas for a year.

    I was so pleased. I demanded it back immediately, sacked them, and got the house re-glazed for free to remind EDF who is in charge power. They hated it when I phoned them one day having been signed up after being told they were part of Scottish Power on my doorstep. I said to the man on the phone who was banging on about this ‘British Company” : “EDF?: That’s Electricite de France isn’t it?…With great reluctancy after a long silence he sheepishly admitted ..yes.

    A good bit of British Steel.
    “They don’t like it up em Captain Mannering”.

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    Rob, I’m all for positive EDF behaviour. Be sure to let Grilla know when some of it arrives…

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    You welcomed the thoughts of EDF, Chris.
    But, yet to spot one.
    Not waiting for someone else’s are they?
    Wouldn’t be the first time.

  • Rob Sellers

    Grilla Vanilla,
    The positive behaviour comes from the consumers inspired by EDF. If they can get people saving energy, reducing waste, sharing cars etc., then this is a good thing, n’est pas? The issues are really with a) the fact that this is not enough in itself, and they need to show us how they are committed to organisational change, and b) they’ve got a poor grasp on how to communicate this through creative ideas.

  • TIN TIN

    INCRAYAREBLAH!!!
    Isn’t the issue that a French Nuclear power company is pretending to be British and green? Converesly, I think they actually have a very good grasp of how to communicate their campaign, they took somebody elses (very good) idea and assumed that they could throw enough money at it to turn it into theirs – and unless Ecotricity say “non”, that’s excatly what’ll happen.

    d

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    Monge tout, Tin Tin.*

    What with Poirot and you,
    Belgium has an embarrasment of spot-on deducers!!

    *apologies to Rodney Trotter

  • Darian Watts

    Vous l’anglais pleurnichent trop. Nous, les Français seront un jour règle votre pays. Nous avons le pouvo

  • Darian Watts

    Slight correction EDF. Your poster with the shoe says walking has no carbon footprint is actually incorrect. Walking wears out shoes and they do have a CF. People who walk use more energy and therefore eat more. Get hot and shower more.

  • Will

    This all seems a bit over the top.

    An old boss of mine was Felix Dennis, he once said to me “ideas are two a penny, it’s making them happen that counts”.

    There are many fine brains thinking about climate change, there is also a lot of duplication – earth hour, earth week, oceans week. You lose track.

    Turning a centuries old flag green and turning Great Britain into…Green Britain is hardly the most original idea. Surely inevitable that there would be a duplication.

    It’s all in the scale and execution and Ecotricity are understandably annoyed that a ‘biggy’ has trumped them with the money.

    Given the scale of the climate change issue it’s far too easy in the ‘Green’ sector for it to get all ‘judean people’s front Vs people’s front of judea’. Anyone sticking their neck out and trying something deserves a bit of slack.

    EDFs claim to be ‘climate neutral’ is up for debate but it’s better than coal and very few solutions are perfect. If you look closely at the way the ‘Green tariffs are worked out and the issues on ROCs there is a good argument to say many green tariffs (Ecotricity included) are a touch misleading.

    No simple answers and simply lashing out agains the frenchies is being far too simplistic. We probably need to grow up a bit.

  • Darian Watts

    Felix Who? Obviously didn’t value ideas and to suggest they are two a penny are not words of wisdom but ignorance. Kind of client who rips agencies off. I’ve heard this phrase from many people who never have any ideas. The ad industry makes its money from ideas – ones it makes happen (even with clients like Felix). It’s most talked about work – Gorilla, Sony balls ads, Honda (pick any ad), etc are all ideas – two a penny? I think not. Those ideas cost a lot but made a lot for companies. One simple idea, the Post-it Note made millions for 3M. The Tetrapak has made its owners the richest in the UK. The list of great ideas is endless. I am guessing you work for one of EDF’s agencies or are a member of a small minority of ad people who think stealing other’s work is acceptable sport.

  • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=106171060780&ref=ts R Smith

    Hmm. Good not to be in the same room as someone who believes ideas are two a penny. Shite ideas are often worth a lot more, but big simple iconic ones are tough to come by, which is why EDF ripped this one off. Agency couldn’t deliver. Not surprising though, when the job is to turn a toxic track into a green lane. But why, an organization as big as EDF finds it necessary to pinch another , smaller, much much greener co’s identity, is beyond me. It’s either stupid or arrogant and neither are appealing. For the record, Ecotricity spends every pound of its customer’s bill on building new turbines, more than 400GBP per customer. No one matches that. That’s not just green, that’s the future of the country. EDF will regret now, as will Gordon Brown and Andrew, Gordon’s brother, who works as head of media at EDF. This is spin, this is greenwash, and climate change is too big and too ugly for any of it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2zcnJ017W8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fmy%5Fvideos%5Fedit%3Fns%3D1%26video%5Fid%3DT2zcnJ017W8%26next%3D%252Fmy%5Fvideos%253Fpi%253D0%2526ps%253D20%2526sf%25 CHRIS ARNOLD

    Beware of what can happen if you steal ideas. Check out this film on YouTube (put in ‘why advertising should never rip off an artist’). Features Nicholas Cage look-a-like playing a lawyer who gets passionate about his distain for advertising agencies ripping off people. As it goes on he gets more and more angry. Some brilliant lines. A little long but well worth watching. Brilliant performance, all shot in one take and mostly improvised.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2zcnJ017W8&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fmy%5Fvideos%5Fedit%3Fns%3D1%26video%5Fid%3DT2zcnJ017W8%26next%3D%252Fmy%5Fvideos%253Fpi%253D0%2526ps%253D20%2526sf%253Dadded%2526sa%253D0%2526sq&feature=player_embedded

  • kiki kendrick

    Will – It’s simple. You look at Ecotricity’s icon and you think ‘Green Union Jack’, then you look at EDF’s campaign and you think ‘Green Union Jack’. They are both energy companies. Both saying the same thing. Only one is telling the truth. EDF are deliberately trying to confuse the public and piggy back on all the kudos Ecotricity have built up and worked tirelessly to achieve over the last 3 years. This is not acceptable.

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    Nice play on Watt, Will.
    Not an anagram of ‘EDF apologist’ is it?
    No, ‘EDF apologist’ has too many letters.
    Your old boss Feliz sounds a piece of work.
    Did he teach you anything worth knowing?

  • Sarah James

    July 10th will be the 24th anniversary of the sinking of Greenpeace’s Rainbow Warrior (and the death of photographer, Fernando Pereira). Greenpeace were trying to prevent the French from doing nuclear tests. (According to US claims, where there’s nuclear power there’s nuclear bombs, that’s how they support their bully boy tactics against Middle Eastern states.) The bombing of the Warrior, in the port of Aukland, NZ, was done by the French foreign intelligence service, the Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure. Which makes you think about criticising the French nuclear industry.

    Personally I have nothing against the French (part of my family comes from France and we have a nice holiday cottage there). This issue is about EDF and about a corporate attitude. The fact remains, EDF is French government owned and governments need to act responsibly.

  • Mark King

    Vive le Single Market, even in the supply of energy.

  • Sarah James

    Vive la Révolution!

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    Make no mistake dear readers; Grilla likes French France… it’s one particular French nuclear energy company with its desire to mislead the British public with its faux Green credentials and British ID theft is what has him beating his chest – that, and the indesputable fact Green Britain and the Green Union Jack already exists in the form of Ecotricity, a ‘British’ ‘Renewable’ energy company. Au-revoir!!

  • TIN TIN

    Just seen a greenjacked black cab, couldn’t believe my porc secteurs

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    Tin Tin, you should’ve gone to Specsavers.
    EDF too; then they’d be able to see what they’re doing is plainly wrong!!

  • http://g9rilla@googlemail.com Grilla Login

    This just texted in from a pal of Grilla’s: “Canyerridetandem?”

    No idea what it means… but thought I’d share it anyway.

  • Catherine Drew

    Have you seen the new Total campaign. Total greenwash.

  • CHRIS ARNOLD

    We all know that EDF means Electricite de France but there is another EDF that we should beware of that is twisting our minds and distorting facts. The Earth Defense Federation. This bunch of US based nutters (search for them on YouTube) are bonkers. One of their videos has more spelling mistakes than an essay by a 5 year old. When I commented on the spelling I got a very aggressive and abusive email back, “go f*** yourself…”. At least they replied.
    Ironically, another EDF is the US based Environmental Defense Fund.

  • CHRIS ARNOLD

    Yesterday’s Guardian Fred Pearce had a real go at EDF, quote ” what gets my goat is EDF’s huge involvement in the global coal business.’ Read it at the llink below. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2009/jul/02/edf-green-britain-energy

  • CHRIS ARNOLD

    Not only have British Gas launched an attack on EDF’s Green Britain Day but the BBC have exposed EDF as a bunch of greenwashers over the Eco 20:20 ads. They have revealed that the ads are a con.The 20:20 refers really to a financial saving while the so called “cut your carbon footprint by 20%” refers to an email full of tips. If this isn’t a prime example of greenwash what is? the BBC also had a go at Easy Jet for distorting claims about CO2 between a plane and a Prius. See Mischief – Series 4 -
    Britain’s Embarrassing Emissions (go to BBC iPlayer).

  • http://www.sincerityagency.com Tim Garbutt

    I would stand up for EDF a little on the “Green Britain” creative work. I did some work with EDF a couple of years ago and found them very decent and motivated people: the social marketing activity in particular was superb.

    Clearly though there are issues over nuclear power as we move post-coal: toxic waste and as importantly more a green energy future limited by the limits on uranium resources.

    I don’t really buy the Anglo-centric nonsense that a French company in Britain employing thousands of Brits can’t refer to the Union Jack or sponsor events at the Eden Project.

    But there is a wider branding issue: Euro are a good agency and their TV work is very strong but to use the Ecotricity identity is either very naughty or a foolish muck-up. The problem to my mind though is compounded by using an integrated identity onto for example van signage which looks a blatant rip-off of not just – a relatively obvious green Union Jack idea – but damaging the whole Ecotricity brand beyond the Green Britain/Eden activity

    If it’s a big idea then it’s one that isn’t just a bit obvious but – undoubtedly unintentionally – treads all over a market competitor.

    If I were EDF I’d be on the phone to Ecotricity with a fulsome apology and a chat about working together on renewable energy as that is a still too large hole in the EDF energy mix.

    Maybe EDF should go further and start looking at fewer one-off stunts and events, as well as more UK agencies wanting to make a difference rather than central appointments from France’s EDF/Euro roster during the “renewables gap” before the uranium runs out.

    Tim, http://www.sincerityagency.com

  • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=106171060780&ref=ts R Smith

    Funny. Now the Tories are accusing Labour of stealing their green ideas from an energy paper published earlier this year. From the outside, it does look like the Brown Government has turned Cameron green – certainly wasn’t much talk of it before now. And it is a remarkable coincidence that EDF launched Team Green Britain a week before this major new ‘Green’ policy initiative. And it is striking that both EDF & HMG have gone to maximum spin to make us think nuclear is green. Maybe there is more to the Gordon and Andrew Brown connection than we thought. Andrew, Media Director EDF, commercial clout, followed by Gordon, political clout. A 1-2 of clunking fists and a punch drunk British public willing to believe Brown is Green. Just what the good doctor ordered for two brothers both near the bottom of the environmental tables. Or it’s just coincidence?
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/5836861/Tories-accuse-Labour-of-stealing-green-ideas.html

  • Heribertos Ellers

    They sound like a bunch of shit-stirrers haha

  • Max Harrington

    Can you believe that EDF are running ads up to Denmark to make them look green. Who are they trying to fool?

  • Chris Arnold

    Nice to see this blog still has the greatest number of comments.

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  • david bradbury

    I just had a look at the ‘green merchandising’ section on the Team Green Britain website. It includes a ‘Rainbow Peace Flag Dog T-shirt”, a snip at £16.50. What a wonderful use of the planets dwindling resources and a great example to us all. Well done all.

  • Will Bates

    It is novel how energy companies want to be associated with ‘green’ brands given that they are one of the largest polluters. They should spend less capital on green market on more on green action.

  • http://www.werbeagentur-berlin.de/advertising-agency/Advertising-Agency-Germany-Berlin.php Advertising Ageny Berlin

    It’s just a matter of time before consumers become aware of the wool being pulled over their eyes by companies like EDF. But on a broader point, there needs to be greater clarity over the green issue– and it’s up to government and big companies like EDF to do that. With power comes responsibility.

  • http://mydarabell.com Dara Bell

    i agree with many of the contributers. Greenwash is something that hurts this industry, it polutes branding and marketing in general and the idea of authenticity which you see at more successful agencies.

    It is a strange time with BP changing their logo to look like flowers. Nestle going into social media and being found out in our world of transparency that they harm the rainforest.

    On the Eden Project having visited it and met some people there would say Tim Smitt is an aggessive entrepeneur, he will not miss a PR event. The place is like Jurasic Park for environmentalists. I am no sure why someone did not run with ths campaig in the Uk. Government campaigns just end doing it and lack the creative flair.

    I am agree with the other Tim Garbutt and Will Bates they need some more action maybe less flags and one off events in favour of donating some money or motivating apathetic young people for example.

    Just looks like foreigners stealing a decent idea and making a poor job, to me. Christ the Union jack has been used enough times even by us.

  • Chris Arnold

    All big companies feel the need to look environmental. The problem is they feel they just need to ‘look’ it. So in comes PR and marketing, give the agency a brief and the spin starts. Doing it is another department. Of course in our web open society one department’s activity can become another’s problem.

  • Chris Arnold

    In another case, HSBC ran a series of ads for green loans. The digital agency’s Mac Monkey inserted an off road 4×4 in the banner ads. Dork!
    To promote their Save the Rainforest promotion they printed hundreds of thousands of multi-page leaflets – hardly eco. Worse, the opening copy said “we are dedicated to reducing paper usage”

  • http://www.dontbreakthepiggy.co.uk John Bosworth

    Terrible behaviour from EDF. Even if you put aside for a moment their unconvicing message that nuclear-equals-green, lifting another company’s campaign wholesale is just lazy, ignorant and dishonest. They call themselves green but they’re confusing recycling big time.

  • Sarah

    They are back. Not content with ripping Ecotricity off last year, EDF are going to run the Green Britain Day again. I admire the head of E-ON who commented that utlity companies are not green so why are they trying to pretend to be?

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  • Vincent Cassel

    Sure, stealing creative ideas is wrong. Nothing to say about that.

    But I don’t understand the discussions about being French or not? Since when does the provenance of a company matter? If it did, should we stop texting with our iphone because it’s from the US or banking with HSBC etc? EDF is not the most ethical company, but it isn’t the first energy company either (unfortunately we could lament) to use green as a means to try to look a bit better. That’s right, look better, not be better.

    I found an interesting article on BP: go to google, type “green campaign BP” and click on the NY Times article. Just a little extract from when they revisited their logo in 2002 and launched a green campaign:
    The slogan ["beyond petroleum"], coupled with the cheerful sunburst [of the logo], sent the message that the company was looking past oil and gas toward a benign, eco-friendly future of solar and renewable energy [...]. BP’s print and TV ad campaign, which is winding down this month, represents one of the most dazzlingly high-profile corporate P.R. efforts in recent years. Created by Ogilvy & Mather Worldwide, it aspires to a conversational, almost confidential voice that suggests, You know what oil companies do to the environment, and we do, too, but honestly, we’re not like that at all. As the billboards announce: BP was ”the first oil company to publicly recognize the risks of global climate change.” BP ”believes in alternative energy. Like solar and cappuccino.’

    Sounds familiar? No Union Jack this time but the same old trick around looking green and spending less than 1% of revenues on researching new, greener ways.

  • dog eggs

    EDF used to be London Electricity,

    I guess the French stole that as well.

    They’ll be back for your shoes next.

  • kaka paka

    I also agree about the matter.

  • Sarah

    Don’t you love EDF, not. We got 20 minute warning and they just turned all the power off for the day. No respect for businesses.

  • Grilla Login

    They play fast and loose with the meaning of the term Green, too.

  • Chris Arnold

    EDF are now giving away free metres.

  • http://www.jambor.ro Fotograf Nunta

    I agree with Vincent. I don’t think the country a provider of any goods comes from matters. It’s more important what it does than where it comes from.

  • Grilla Login

    Fotograf – if you want them to be judged on what they do:

    EDF is Europe’s largest importer of coal.

    EDF is the world’s 3rd largest producer of nuclear waste. Numbers 1 + 2 are countries.

    EDF talk the talk of low-carbon. But walk the walk of Nuclear – which is a non-non for anyone who understands what the term ‘Green’ actually means.

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  • Grilla Login

    Y, thank u. I painted them my self.

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  • Grilla Login

    Does someone have a gun pointing @ your head Mister McQueen – can’t think of any other reason why you would have to say that?

  • http://www.werbeagentur-berlin.de Werbeagentur Berlin

    Well maybe it`s the revenge for importing some ideas of the French revolution to the UK ;-) – but serious taking the flag, hm it is a matter of taste, but copying an idea is realy not ok. By the way some weeks ago I found a nice claim in Beijing: “If you can make it, we can fake it”. Good Night.

  • Grilla Login

    Gute nacht… schlaf gut und träum süß ;-)

  • Sue Turner

    Grilla. You have been eating nana and translation book sarnies again.

  • Grilla Login

    Sue – considering the amount of German lagers, frankfurters and hamburglers that have passed thru me I feel I qualify as an “Honour-ree” citizen (before I switched to the banana and cellulose diet of course:-) + you must qualify as part French considering your liking for all things Mr Chardonnay…

  • Grilla Login

    Sue – we could spin this thread out to 100 if we so cheesed 2 doo, couldn’t we?

  • Sue Turner

    Un. I prefer New World Chardonnays. Deux. So there. Trois. You are the cheese-eating monkey here.

  • Sue Turner

    Un. I prefer New World Chardonnays. Deux. So there. Trois. You are the cheese-eating monkey here.

  • Grilla Login

    Considering the planet is around 4.5 billions years old, New World haint right [tho [u may dispute this if u'r a Creationist] Sue – like to be there to see Earthy blow out all the candles on its birthday cake, wouldn’t u?

  • Sue Turner

    Deffo NOT a creationist, Grilla. I am fortunate in that I have a couple or three eminent Paleontologists and Paleobiologists as mates and so am able to separate the Cretaceous from the cretinous…unlike some. As for the anniversary. Sounds will be lucky to see out the next decade…unfortunately.

  • Grilla Login

    Sue, I count Dracula as one of my pals but always add several cloves of garlic to my cellulose smoothies if he’s staying overnight along with hiding a pistol loaded with silver bullets along with a steak, medium to well done, under my pillow. I always keep my blood donor card out of view when he’s visiting chez Grilla, 2.

  • Sue Turner

    Garlic, silver bullets and pistols mean one thing to me, Grilla, Midnight Move c.1973, Curse of the Werewolf with the famously pickled, Oliver Reed. “Bolt the windows. Lock the doors, because tonight is the night of the Werewolf.” Were you in that one?

  • Grilla Login

    If I was, Sue, I wasn’t awerewolf of it AAAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Harry Ramsdens should offer their customers a choice of pickled Oliver Reed along with the cucumbers, eggs, onions, don’t u agree?

  • Sue Turner

    Actually, Grilla, I’m not entirely sure that that is not already happening, given the state of the Kebab my brother was scoffing the last time I saw up ooop in Worsley-land. Plus. Who hasn’t – regrettably – found a stray hair or something equally gross in their chow at one time or another?

  • Grilla Login

    99

  • Grilla Login

    1O;-O!

  • Sue Turner

    THAT COP-OUT WAS UNWORTHY OF YOU…CHEETA. 100.

  • Sue Turner

    I actually posted the below last night, but for some reason it’s not here. I said “that cop-out is unworthy of you CHEETA”…100.

  • Sue Turner

    100

  • Sarah

    I’m Miss 100 responder!!
    But seriously, take a look at the greenwash rubbish on EDF’s site. What tosh!!

  • Grilla Login

    Slow coach Sue BLLLLLLLLLLLLRP!

  • Sue Turner

    GRILLA, TW*T. Let’s go for a KP bi-centenary. Make BR history. Whatdursay?x

  • Chris Arnold

    110

  • Grilla Login

    110.05 Hi Chris – I’ve got hair under my arms – c u’ve got hands.

  • Sue Turner

    So, Grilla. Chris and I would love to hear about your ‘Vordeman moments’. Is it true that they are akin to near-death experiences? 112

  • Grilla Login

    112A – merrrripsrrrsealedssssstickybrrrrrrbrrnanarrr4rrrrlunchrrr

  • Sue Turner

    WTF? Even by your standards that was ape-sh*t.x

  • Grilla Login

    Is the Guinness Book of Records on standby Sue? If it is, switch it off as it’s a terrible waste of energy [back on piste - almost]. 115.

  • Sue Turner

    I’m channeling Ross. I fecking loved that programme, and Roy, he of the Castle. His nephew used to live round the corner from me in Worsley-land. Get scribing, Grilla. None of this waffle. A true, fitting and 200. Aving it. 116.

  • Grilla Login

    Shame about Norris McW tweren’t it?. Talking of Norrisi, r u watching the ‘live’ 50th anniversary episode of Corrie? Bet a big juicy ripe banana ur ;-) 117.

  • Grilla Login

    So, Kevin laid his tool in the wrong place again…

  • Sue Turner

    I missed it, Grilla, but will catch-up on the wonderful ‘tinternet or one of the many, many ITV channels, probably in the gym so I can pretend that I’m running away from the tram and the ensuing fireballs / explosions.

  • gotnoteef

    is Norrisi the plural of Norris – genius – you learn something new everyday – I’d have gone for Norrees, but I’d have been wrong.

    So, what’s the collective noun?

  • Grilla Login

    Gotno – + an i to any collective + u won’t be far wrong – eggcept geese, where it’s a gaggle + mongoose, where it’s a geese. What number we on now Sue, I’ve lost count Dracula?

  • Sue Turner

    RITA TO LIVE!!!!!! Every street has to have an over made-up woman of a certain age who has several failed marriages behind he. I think it’s the law. Grilla and Gotno; if you could have the pleasure of the society of one of the Corrie birds, which would it be and why? Your time stars now, with no repetition, deviation or anything. 122

  • Sue Turner

    RITA TO DIE!!!!!! Just about every street has an over made-up woman of a certain age who has several failed marriages behind her. I think it’s the law. Grilla and Gotno; if you could kill off one of the Corrie birds, which one would it be and why? Your time starts now, with no repetition, deviation or anything. 123

  • gotnoteef

    Ah yes – the plethora of Ritai (is that how it works G?) and the quandry of how best to deal with them – sustain them forever in formaldehyde, or perhaps their make-up will do that anyway – or bump them off en-masse to free-up some housing stock and undermine Avon’s stock position on the basis of sudden fall in blue mascara sales.

    I’m not much of a Corrie fan – there’s one that looks like a bulldog in a ginger wig and another that has no discernable chin – they’d be the first to get a push off this mortal coil on the basis that they offend the eye.

  • Grilla Login

    200! HA.

  • Sue Turner

    This site! I said ” you are just a monkey and you cannot count” so there.

  • Grilla Login

    Sue, if u run as slow as u respond then u r in danger of being overtaken by a 3-toed sloth that has 2 toes incapacitated by a plaster cast eat my dust :-blllrp!

  • gotnoteef

    I was going to quietly stalk this thread and then, with panther-like skill, pounce and nobble the 200th post…

    but my gob ran away with my fingers.

  • Sue Turner

    Some of us have stuff to do and so if it takes me a little while to respond dear Grilla and Gotno, it does not mean that I am not thinking of you. And I do, Grilla, run very fast indeed. 129

  • Sue Turner
  • Grilla Login

    But Sue, why run if there isn’t a bus to catch?

  • Grilla Login

    Hurry Sue, the Number 132 is about to depart…byeeeeeeee!

  • Sue Turner

    Walk like a Panther is a fave track of mine. You both might remember that it was recorded by Tony Christie and written by Jarvis, especially for him. What you don’t know is that he was raised in in village I grew up in and my mother went to school with him, and she fecking loved him, and she died two weeks ago. We didn’t get on, but as a kind of recognition it would be good to go to Amorillo 200. So. In case you’re thinking of copping out – don’t. It’s a kind of validation. Walk like a Panther, Grilla, Toothfairy, whatever. Just walk…and type.x

  • Sue Turner

    Grilla, are you there?

  • Grilla Login

    no

  • Grilla Login

    I’m driving the Number 136 because there was noone else to drive it “ALL ABOARD NOW!”

  • gotnoteef

    I’ve just had to dive out the way of a bus that came steaming through one of Chris Arnold’s blogs – where do they the drivers these days?

  • Sue Turner

    Don’t know, Gotno, but they should get the driver in Scotland who got his bus up a very steep hill in snow, ice and everything without so much as sliding, while all around every other car was flip-flopping all over the place. What a shining endorsement of public transport. 138

  • gotnoteef

    saw that video – he was superb (which sounds even better with a Glaswegian accent).

  • Grilla Login

    Hey, this one bends in the middle – think I’ll try a handbrake turn “HOLD TIGHT @ THE BACK!”

  • Sue Turner

    Guess what. Some arse exposed himself to me this morning when running through Soho at 5 of the am. I kid you not. And not for the first time. And he didn’t even say “Merry Christmas” tight-git.. I, as usual, laughed and recommended a doctor I know in Harley Street. Tell me chaps, have you ever had any odd encounters – other than Vordeman moments – in Soho at this festive time of year?

  • gotnoteef

    crikey Sue – running at that time of the morning… only from men in blue hats

    I’m afraid if I found myself in Soho at 5am I’d be:

    1) Lost
    2) Trollied
    3) Incapable of running
    4) About 100 miles from home
    and
    5) Looking for somewhere warm to lie-the-fook-down and sleep it off

    I did have a Mrs Robinson moment one day when hitch-hiking home from school… but it was a long way away from London.

    As for your flasher – someone I knew had a regular flasher, so she took a camera with her, photographed him and explained that if she ever saw him again she would fly-post the neighbourhood with pictures of him and his “tiny little tool” – strangely enough, that was her final encounter.

  • Sue Turner

    Once, a very long time ago, in the days when the tube used to have seats in 2′s facing each other, this bloke sat in the seat opposite me and pulled his shorts to one side, thus allowing his todger to have a look around the carriage. He sat there staring at me, so I stared him out…all the way from King’s X to Piccadilly. And then some chap in a service station on the M1 pulled his car alongside mine. He had his trousers unfastened and I think he was practising gear changes. I had a bird’s eye view, since I was looking down from the drivers seat of an X5 and he was in a Datsun. He was probably called Kevin.

  • Grilla Login

    Sue – it’s Soho + 1 should never be surprised by the activities that occur in Soho.

  • Sue Turner

    I know, Grilla, at that time of the morning you’d be amazed by the things I see – snatches of conversations I hear – the things I could telly you!

  • Grilla Login

    Snatches. Full stop.

  • Sue Turner

    You filthy, filthy, wonderful beast!x

  • Grilla Login

    Sue, why do I feel the need for a cigarette?

  • Sue Turner

    LOL! Although I do not smoke and never, ever have. Not even a puff behind the science labs.

  • Sue Turner

    Although the science lab once smoked at the Grammar school I went to, because the domestic science teacher was in the habit of drying her washing – hubby’s socks and whatnot – in one of the drying cabinets and it caught fire. That was fecking funny. Ted Hughes (old boy) would have written a lovely, yet tragic, poem about it had he not left some years before.

  • Sue Turner

    You are slacking, Grilla and Gotno. How many units have you run up since you last posted here? 151

  • Grilla Login
  • Sue Turner

    Grilla, that is probably (outside of Cameron and Clegg entering Number 10) the most grotesque thing I’ve ever seen. Is there a subliminal message there, I wonder? Whatever, you – it – has been flossing.

  • Sue Turner

    By the way. It’s a crop of a shot taken when I had flu, so my snout is inflated…to say the least. Come on, Grilla. Let’s have a reveal. Take your mask off.

  • gotnoteef

    There are international laws against taking his face off – also against turning his hands in to ashtrays and his feet in to umbrella stands.

  • Sue Turner

    …there are also laws (mine) about him making a money out of me.

  • Sue Turner

    CORRECTION. …there are also laws (mine) about him making a MONKEY out of me

  • Sue Turner

    …I can do that all by myself.

  • Sue Turner

    …have just done so. Unfortunately.

  • Chris Arnold

    Odd. Very odd.

  • Sue Turner

    Sorry we hijacked your blog about hijacking, Chris. Merry Christmas.

  • Sue Turner

    …and again. OOOps.

  • Sue Turner

    One

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    Wow…this is just unbelievable…

  • http://beauty-thailand.net/ Shane Anan

    I think we are just running out of ideas as to anything in our life. If you guys know what I mean…

  • Grilla Login

    Sue, another unwanted online salesperson – so of no consequence.

  • Sue Turner

    Grilla, I could spend all day looking at his / her site. It’s so well designed and original. It makes me want to send my card details. Not.

  • http://www.andremoves.com andre Moves

    i thinks all the comemnts are constructive and great stuff

  • Grilla Login

    Andre – a man of good taste and skillful persuasion is what you are. I may require your services when my next shipment of bananas hits these shores.

  • Sue Turner

    No I’m really fec*ed off, Grilla.

  • http://www.bestcarrental.com.au Duderino Fabien

    Vive la révolution :)

  • Grilla Login

    R u the French equivalent of GioCompario? [Sue may follow this with 'What, fat, highly repetitive and fec*ing annoying?]

  • Sue Turner

    I could fulfill your expectations, Grilla, but that thas never been a speciallity of mine. So I’ll excced them – which is my speciality. Duderino Fabien. What the feck are you talking about? Do you even know? No revolution until one can visit Paris without being subjected to vile abuse, even if you can walk up the Tower in one go, at the same pace, and all without stopping…as I can and have done many times. And certainly not until you can conceed (when challenging one of us in bars because you’re under the impression that the English are lightweights at boozing) even after one then proceeds to drink your appointed boozer under the table and you can take it like a man and admit you’re shite will you have a revolution. That, and stopping the embrarassing habit of your short menfolk wearing built-up insoles in their shoes. It’s so unedifying. Long live Queenie! And Phillip, Wills, Kate, Harry and the rest of them. And the LONDON Eye. Will that do, Grilla?

  • Grilla Login

    A trip to Buck House + a Dame Sue T is on its way [don't plan any trips to Paris any time soon tho].

  • Chris Arnold

    To date this is the most commented upon blog of all, even if some of the comments have little to do with EDF’s less than ethical truth telling.

  • Grilla Login

    Our legacy to the nation, Chris.

  • Sue Turner

    You’re the fire starter, Chris, we just went with the flow. But my, isn’t it a great shiny illumination of creativity? We’re still a bit away from 200, Chris.

  • Grilla Login

    Chris, Sue. 200 is within sight. Maybe EDF would b gracious enough 2 sponsor us the rest of the way [as long as we don't have to wear their logo on our vests]?

  • Sue Turner

    Good idea, Grilla. Do you think they’ve read this?

  • http://www.websitedesignssydney.com.au/ Martin jones

    A sad trend that all the big boys seem to be cashing in on the Eco ticket. So easy to make these ethical claims but quite another thing to conduct your business in the true spirit of environmental protection and sustainability. Things must, and will, change. But probably too late.

    Keep up the good work Robin, one of the good guys!

  • Grilla Login

    I doubt it, Sue. They r probably 2 busy preparing their fleet of new nuclear reactors for the UK… sorry, what am I saying, I meant, their fleet of new low-carbon facilitators.

  • Sue Turner

    Radiating lots of appreciation of your wit, furry one.

  • Sue Turner

    Grilla. Why don’t you stage a latter day revival of your finest cinematic role. Climb up onto the EDF London Eye. It would certainly be newsworthy and you could then spend your time making paper planes, all of which could carry ethical / environmental messages, from the top. Whatduya say?

  • Sue Turner

    That should be, throwing them from the top.

  • Grilla Login

    Vertigo.

  • Sue Turner

    Were you in that fillum too, Grilla? My. What a versitile primate you are…allegedly.

  • Grilla Login

    Sue, my faceted is so multi, not only can I spell the word vertigo correctly but versatile, an’ all ;-)

  • Sue Turner

    Admonishment deserved, Grilla. It was a chardonnay error.

  • Grilla Login

    A good workperson never blames the tools of their job

  • gotnoteef

    190 – ten to go!

  • Sue Turner

    Gotno, dentally-challenged one. We’ve missed your interventions. Are you going to stalk the thread as you promised to a while back? Who’ll do the 200?

  • Grilla Login

    Didn’t I do 200 an age ago? Gotno – nice 2 c u 2 c u nice – Sue’s favourite person’s favourite catchy fraze

  • Sue Turner

    I thought you said you could count Dracula, Grilla. And as to Brucie and his condensed face…

  • Sue Turner

    Just bagged a nag which came in 2nd at 50/1. Lots of chardonnay, DVD of IThe Thick of It. And a pizza the size of Grilla’s drum kit! Result.

  • Grilla Login

    Sue, if it’s banana slices instead of pepperoni kindly put a slice aside 4 me.

  • Sue Turner

    Don’t eat meat, Grilla, veggie pizzas everytime…and I scoffed the lot. Yum!

  • Grilla Login

    2 can play that game – see this 60-ounce cup of creamy smooth slightly chilled banana smoothie in my hands Sue? Well, SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLRPP! it’s all gone. Hold on, no it hasn’t SLLLRP! Now its ALL gone.

  • Sue Turner

    Don’t get mardy. If I’d have known you were coming I’d have baked a cake…and saved you a slice. Guts and eyes bigger than. These are the words that remind me of you.

  • Grilla Login

    Gotnoteef… Sue… Chris… I hate 2 do this 2 u all… honest I do

  • Grilla Login

    SFX: (Fanfare) Two two-two-two-two-two two twwwooooooooooooooohundred!

  • Sue Turner

    I let you do that, in lieu of the pizza!

  • Grilla Login

    Ha-d-ha-ha whose alarm didn’t go off?

  • Sue Turner

    You presume too much, Cheeta, I awake ahead of the alarm at 4.58. So stick that in your smoothie and slurp it. Was being kind to you. Duck! Beware of low-flying Giardinieras.

  • gotnoteef

    Sorry – took my eye off the ball there and my favourite crafty primate dived in.

    4.58am – four fifty fookin eight in the a.m. – that’s a bed-time Sue – not a getting up time. You crazy runners are just, well, crazy.

  • Sue Turner

    he didn’t dive in. I let him.
    Well. You know, Gotno, at moi age you run or you turn into a Malteser. Love them as I do (will provide delivery address if Mr Nestle is reading) but not going there. Having done this for so long I now view anything approaching 8am as the afternoon. How are you, Duck?

  • gotnoteef

    tip-top Sue – thanks for asking – trust the world is treating you fairly too – and if it isn’t, kick it in the Rs.
    You’re up so early it’s bound to catch it by surprise.

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    marlon

  • dinamic soft

    :-)

  • Grilla Login

    ;-)

  • http://www.theremovalman.co.uk Fernando Iembo

    Wow…this is just unbelievable…

  • Grilla Login

    There’s no way, José.

  • Sarah

    Has this blog become a secret discussion forum?

  • Grilla Login

    Chris-Arnold’s-Guinness-Book-of-Records-attempt, is what it is, Sarah + u’ve made an invaluable contribution…215, here we come!

  • Sue Turner

    here it and I am, and not for the first time. Although it now feels like hostile territory.

  • Sarah

    Keep it up guys. Whats the topic of discussion? Have you heard about his battle with Westfield shopping centre – they won’t run his ad on the big screens.

  • Sue Turner

    Whatever. The first thing that comes into your head. We’re not choosy. Lol!

  • Annie Jackson

    It is a strange time with BP changing their logo to look like flowers. Nestle going into social media and being found out in our world of transparency that they harm the rainforest.

  • http://www.simplycanvas.com.au arthur

    Nestle harming the rainforest?? Surely not! :)

  • Grilla Login

    220 @ 17:31

  • Sue Turner
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